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D3x geruchten
De geruchten over de D3x worden sterker.
Uit dit draadje op Dpreview http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read. ... e=30060256 de reactie van Thom Hogan.
Dan Wells wrote:
> please
> correct or add to this list .
To ward off all the emails I'd tend to get from a posted list like is, I'm going to respond here and develop a form letter email response ;~).
> It'll be a D3x first (whether or not that's the name - it's a big pro
> FF body with a vertical grip and a battery that lasts all week), not
> a D700x or an MX body (although one or both of those may be coming in
> the next year).
Yes. This is what I was told when I initially opined that Nikon might do a 5DII/A900 direct competitor, aka D800. I was very pointedly told "no, D3 type body."
> It looks and handles a lot like a D3, and most/all of the usual D3
> features are there.
I think that's pretty much a given now. The D2/D200->D3/D300->D700 chain has established a solid base set of things that don't change, and the D3/D300/D700 key technologies (focus, metering, etc.) are still way too new to be replaced. Still, we've gotten tweaks at every stage, so we can probably expect some more. The D90's calendar and RETOUCH features probably, the new use of the INFO button (D700/D90), are probably relatively certain. The question is whether there's another new tweak. Probably.
> It's going to be announced sometime between this week and 10-December
> (who knows if it's immediately available or might be as late as March
> before it ships).
This has been the tough one to call. Three times now I've been given a specific date. The current one is 12/1 (or 1/12 for you Europeans). But for some reason the date doesn't seem locked, and it does seem strange that we're talking about a Monday, as that means Sunday in Japan.
> It's 24 MP - the persistent rumor of "more than 24 mp" is
> contradicted by almost everyone who has seen it.
Correct.
> Probable:
> There's something special/unusual about the imaging pipeline (weak/no
> AA, 16 bit processing, both or something else) that should make it
> the highest image quality DSLR out there (at modest ISO) by a fair
> margin. Several people who have seen the D3x have hinted strongly at
> this.
Yep. Something special right there at the sensor.
> It has at least a DX crop mode, maybe more crop modes than that.
I think the 5:4 crop would be a given. I sure like it. But you have to wonder if 1:1 is also there (no, not 36x36, but 24x24). Given the target market, "square" ought to be one of the crops.
> It has a Nikon sensor, or at least a Nikon modification of the Alpha
> 900 sensor - see special/unusual imaging pipeline above.
Nikon's proclivity has been to use a derivative. It's been rare that they've actually used the "stock" Sony sensor outside the Coolpix line. In this case, the thing that I'll be looking at is the ADC. As Bobn pointed out a long time ago, the stock Sony sensor's built-in ADC isn't going to support fast 14-bit. I'm not even sure if it supports fast APS.
> "Sensor shake" dust removal - added on D700, no reason to subtract on
> D3x.
I agree.
> A price tag within $500 either way of $6499
This is the tricky one. To justify >US$4999 Nikon is going to have something special in terms of features or image quality, probably both. Personally, I can't think of anything that justifies a US$1500 over a D3 (actually, much more than that since the D3 is discounted these days). Adding all the things I can think of: sensor VR, 16-bit, removable AA, and electronic shutter for fast flash sync isn't enough.
> It's called a D3x - Thom Hogan hints it may not be, while several
> people who've seen it say it is.
The last time someone at Nikon who should know said anything to me about the name, it wasn't a "D3x." Thus, my prediction. Now, if the D3 gets updated (the bigger buffer, sensor cleaning, the new INFO button method, etc.), it would likely be called the D3s. So I could, I suppose, imagine a D3sx. It's hard to imagine a D3 and D3x, or a D3s and D3x, though. That sort of breaks Nikon's naming consistency.
> Maybe:
> Video (if it exists, it's somewhere between 720p and 1080p) - no
> reason to bother if it's not HD, and no way it could be "beyond HD" -
> the RED is much more expensive and much further out.
Lots of video pixels isn't the problem by itself. It's storage. Even with two card slots holding 16GB cards, it would be difficult to get much really high resolution video recorded. After all, you're talking about a minimum of 36MB a frame for raw.
Uit dit draadje op Dpreview http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read. ... e=30060256 de reactie van Thom Hogan.
Dan Wells wrote:
> please
> correct or add to this list .
To ward off all the emails I'd tend to get from a posted list like is, I'm going to respond here and develop a form letter email response ;~).
> It'll be a D3x first (whether or not that's the name - it's a big pro
> FF body with a vertical grip and a battery that lasts all week), not
> a D700x or an MX body (although one or both of those may be coming in
> the next year).
Yes. This is what I was told when I initially opined that Nikon might do a 5DII/A900 direct competitor, aka D800. I was very pointedly told "no, D3 type body."
> It looks and handles a lot like a D3, and most/all of the usual D3
> features are there.
I think that's pretty much a given now. The D2/D200->D3/D300->D700 chain has established a solid base set of things that don't change, and the D3/D300/D700 key technologies (focus, metering, etc.) are still way too new to be replaced. Still, we've gotten tweaks at every stage, so we can probably expect some more. The D90's calendar and RETOUCH features probably, the new use of the INFO button (D700/D90), are probably relatively certain. The question is whether there's another new tweak. Probably.
> It's going to be announced sometime between this week and 10-December
> (who knows if it's immediately available or might be as late as March
> before it ships).
This has been the tough one to call. Three times now I've been given a specific date. The current one is 12/1 (or 1/12 for you Europeans). But for some reason the date doesn't seem locked, and it does seem strange that we're talking about a Monday, as that means Sunday in Japan.
> It's 24 MP - the persistent rumor of "more than 24 mp" is
> contradicted by almost everyone who has seen it.
Correct.
> Probable:
> There's something special/unusual about the imaging pipeline (weak/no
> AA, 16 bit processing, both or something else) that should make it
> the highest image quality DSLR out there (at modest ISO) by a fair
> margin. Several people who have seen the D3x have hinted strongly at
> this.
Yep. Something special right there at the sensor.
> It has at least a DX crop mode, maybe more crop modes than that.
I think the 5:4 crop would be a given. I sure like it. But you have to wonder if 1:1 is also there (no, not 36x36, but 24x24). Given the target market, "square" ought to be one of the crops.
> It has a Nikon sensor, or at least a Nikon modification of the Alpha
> 900 sensor - see special/unusual imaging pipeline above.
Nikon's proclivity has been to use a derivative. It's been rare that they've actually used the "stock" Sony sensor outside the Coolpix line. In this case, the thing that I'll be looking at is the ADC. As Bobn pointed out a long time ago, the stock Sony sensor's built-in ADC isn't going to support fast 14-bit. I'm not even sure if it supports fast APS.
> "Sensor shake" dust removal - added on D700, no reason to subtract on
> D3x.
I agree.
> A price tag within $500 either way of $6499
This is the tricky one. To justify >US$4999 Nikon is going to have something special in terms of features or image quality, probably both. Personally, I can't think of anything that justifies a US$1500 over a D3 (actually, much more than that since the D3 is discounted these days). Adding all the things I can think of: sensor VR, 16-bit, removable AA, and electronic shutter for fast flash sync isn't enough.
> It's called a D3x - Thom Hogan hints it may not be, while several
> people who've seen it say it is.
The last time someone at Nikon who should know said anything to me about the name, it wasn't a "D3x." Thus, my prediction. Now, if the D3 gets updated (the bigger buffer, sensor cleaning, the new INFO button method, etc.), it would likely be called the D3s. So I could, I suppose, imagine a D3sx. It's hard to imagine a D3 and D3x, or a D3s and D3x, though. That sort of breaks Nikon's naming consistency.
> Maybe:
> Video (if it exists, it's somewhere between 720p and 1080p) - no
> reason to bother if it's not HD, and no way it could be "beyond HD" -
> the RED is much more expensive and much further out.
Lots of video pixels isn't the problem by itself. It's storage. Even with two card slots holding 16GB cards, it would be difficult to get much really high resolution video recorded. After all, you're talking about a minimum of 36MB a frame for raw.
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Dan denk ik dat het een D3Xs wordt.Skippy schreef:De geruchten over de D3x worden sterker.
So I could, I suppose, imagine a D3sx. It's hard to imagine a D3 and D3x, or a D3s and D3x, though. That sort of breaks Nikon's naming consistency.
Tja, we zullen zien, ben wel benieuwd.
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Voorspelling zijn meer uitingen van wensen ipv een gerucht 

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Dat was met de D700 ook zo en voila daar was ie.M.Oorthuis schreef:Voorspelling zijn meer uitingen van wensen ipv een gerucht
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Eerst zien dan gelovenmikemix schreef:Dat was met de D700 ook zo en voila daar was ie.M.Oorthuis schreef:Voorspelling zijn meer uitingen van wensen ipv een gerucht

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Ik mag in januari D3 aanschaffen. Moet ik nu wachten of niet. Blijft moeilijk in digitale tijdperk. Vroeger kwam een nieuwe Nikon pro body om de 10 jaar. Nu weet je het gewoon niet. Maar de specificaties van de huidige D3 zijn ruim voldoende voor mij. Maar men wil toch altijd het nieuwste als je er weer een paar jaar mee moet doen. 

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M.Oorthuis schreef:Eerst zien dan geloven

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Antwoord:wil schreef:Ik mag in januari D3 aanschaffen. Moet ik nu wachten of niet..............
wil schreef:.........Maar de specificaties van de huidige D3 zijn ruim voldoende voor mij.
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Dat is toch niet moeilijk, er zal altijd iets mooiers/beters zijn of komen. De D3 voldoet voor jou, is inmiddels honderden Euro's in prijs gezakt. Dan koop je toch gewoon een D3! Ga je lekker mooie foto's schieten en van het voordeel tracteer je je vrouw op een paar leuke dagen samen. Zie http://www.weekendjeweg.nlwil schreef:Ik mag in januari D3 aanschaffen. Moet ik nu wachten of niet. Blijft moeilijk in digitale tijdperk. Vroeger kwam een nieuwe Nikon pro body om de 10 jaar. Nu weet je het gewoon niet. Maar de specificaties van de huidige D3 zijn ruim voldoende voor mij. Maar men wil toch altijd het nieuwste als je er weer een paar jaar mee moet doen.

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Onzekerheid troef.wil schreef:Ik mag in januari D3 aanschaffen. Moet ik nu wachten of niet. Blijft moeilijk in digitale tijdperk.
Eén ding is volstrekt zeker als je een model koopt dat net uit is: in het begin betaal je de volle mep en na een jaar heb je het gevoel dat je teveel betaald hebt.
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Toch leuk, dat het op de eerste pagina al weer offtopic is. Dit topic is toch naar aanleiding van de geruchten van de D3x? Nu gaat het weer over aankoopadvies??? 

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Ik ben benieuwd of er nog een 3-serie komt die niet FF is.
Een D3s welke een DX sensor heeft.
Een D3s welke een DX sensor heeft.
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Mijn werkgever betaalt hem.Skippy schreef:Dat is toch niet moeilijk, er zal altijd iets mooiers/beters zijn of komen. De D3 voldoet voor jou, is inmiddels honderden Euro's in prijs gezakt. Dan koop je toch gewoon een D3! Ga je lekker mooie foto's schieten en van het voordeel tracteer je je vrouw op een paar leuke dagen samen. Zie http://www.weekendjeweg.nl


Ik wacht de geruchtenstroom rustig af.
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OK, genoeg.
Terug naar het onderwerp.
De geruchten worden wel steeds sterker.
Meestal duidt dat er op dat er toch wel iets aan zit te komen.
zie ook deze link
Terug naar het onderwerp.
De geruchten worden wel steeds sterker.
Meestal duidt dat er op dat er toch wel iets aan zit te komen.
zie ook deze link
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Ik heb toch de indruk dat deze geruchtenstroom door Nikon op gang wordt gebracht en wordt onderhouden.
Waarschijnlijk om de "buzz" (engelse marketing woorden mogen wel?) op gang te houden.
Dus laat maar komen.
PS
Mijn nieuwe toestel wordt de D5 of D6, dan ben ik wel aan nieuw type toe
Waarschijnlijk om de "buzz" (engelse marketing woorden mogen wel?) op gang te houden.
Dus laat maar komen.
PS
Mijn nieuwe toestel wordt de D5 of D6, dan ben ik wel aan nieuw type toe